Interview with V.N.Zabelin

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2. Reserve Aviation Regiment

When fighting began in the Kuban, did you think that you would be sent to fight?

All the graduates from our school were sent there. But I was sent to the 4th ZAB (Zapasnaya Aviatsionnaya Brigada - Reserve Aviation Brigade), which consisted of 11, 25, and 26 ZAPs (Zapasnoy Aviapolk - Reserve Aviation Regiment). With time I served in all these regiments. 26th ZAP was based at the Sandary station, near Tbilisi; 11th at Kirovabad, and 25th at Kutaisi.

Kirovabad. 11 ZAP.
1-st row: Zabelin, Sharuyev, Tarasenko
2-nd row: Squadron engineer -, Squadron commander Fedorov, Squadron adjutant -.
3-rd row: Flight commander Pekalov, Flight commander Didenko,Vorobec.

What was the difference between a ZAP and combat regiment?

There is a big difference. In combat regiment pilots fly combat missions. Speaking of organizations? In both regiments there was a regiment command, squadron command, political officer, and navigator. The 11th ZAP was mixed, and consisted of two bomber squadrons one on Pe-2, another one on Bostons [A-20] and B-25s, and the 3rd squadron was equipped with Cobras, Tomahawks and Kittyhawks. There also were some UTI-4s. This squadron, under command of Fedorov, was stationed separately from the rest of the regiment, at the airfield Kirovabad-West. American and British fighters were flown here from Iran, and I was sent here after finishing flight school in the summer of 1943. Later it was commanded by Kondratyev. When I was sent to 25th ZAP, it consisted of only one squadron and six instructors.

How many pilots did you personally train?

I trained 56 pilots simultaneously. Thats those whom I had to teach and train for a long time. Maximum I had a whole squadron twelve men. Thats from a combat regiment. Pilots arrived there with different capabilities, so I trained only those who needed it.

What was the composition of the 26th ZAP and what did you do there?

First of all, during the Kuban battles our aviation suffered big losses. And especially LaGGs. When all LaGGs were spent, pilots would return to the 26th ZAP. They received new planes there and flew back to the front shortly afterwards. Their route was by the Caucasian coast toward Sochi and Krasnodar.

That is, you saw the same pilots more then once?

Yes, several times. My friends, with whom I graduated, now fought in the 805th IAP, if I remember correctly, invited me to fight with them. I applied for a transfer, but it wasnt allowed.

805th Tilzitskii, order of Alexandr Nevskii fighter air regiment. In the active army:
05.07.42 - 09.12.42
19.07.43 - 10.05.44
13.10.44 - 09.05.45
Was formed in October 1941. Was equipped with LaGG-3 fighters. From May 1944 was transferred to La-5. During the war pilots from this regiment shot down 88 enemy airplanes.

What was the training procedure in the ZAP? There are totally different recollections: some say that they discussed tactics, others remember that they did nothing for several months.

Specifically at our regiment, there was no serious training done. Regiments came to us to receive new planes and pilots. After a brief period they would return to the front. There were no group flights or shooting range practice. Nothing like this.

Who organized the training? Were you responsible, or IAP Commanders, or the ZAP Commander?

If an IAP commander came with the regiment, then he was completely responsible for everything. I have to say that after Evlakh school, I came to the 11th ZAP, which dealt with imported airplanes. This mixed regiment was based at Kirovabad. Mainly its squadrons flew on the Pe-2, but it also trained pilots to fly A-20 Bostons. This airfield was packed with foreign airplanes. There must have been a thousand of them: Cobras, Kittyhawks, Tomahawks, even Thunderbolts. There were very few Thunderbolts, but they still were there. I was about to fly one of them; I already had passed all the exams, but then I was sent to the 26th ZAP.
In the 11th ZAP we had to deal with different pilots. A portion of them was from the combat regiments, and came along with their regiment commanders; there was no problem with them. Another group consisted of those who began to fly the U-2, for example, but later had no chance to complete their training. Among my cadets was an HSU, who used to be a commando. He received his title for hunting after officerstongues [a tongue was a live prisoner who could be interrogated for intelligence purposes]. He used to tell us a lot of interesting things. He told me about his attitude:
For me to kill a man is like killing a fly!

Did you teach him to fly?

Yes, he graduated and was sent to fight, but I lost track of him. I dont even remember his name. Several men from the Pokryshkin division were my graduates. I used to be there I ferried Cobras to them from Kirovabad. There was a special regiment that ferried planes from Abadan to Kirovabad, the same like there was a regiment that flew at Chukotka Recently there was a film madePeregon. Have you seen it? Its a hallucination of a pale mare under a bright moon! Starting from the point that no American girl ever flew to us on a ferry flight. This film is complete rubbish.
We ferried planes to Pokryshkins division, more then 20 planes in all. As we landed, pilots started to argue who will get which plane.

11 ZAP
Kondratyev, Levashov, Vorobec
On the wing: Sobolev, Tarasenko, Sulemenko, -, Zabelin, -, -, Pekalov -, -,

How did you like the American planes?

Cobras indisputedly were superior to Kittyhawks and Tomahawks.

A pilot from 103rd Guards Regiment told us that their pilots had no problems when they flew Kittyhawks, but when they switched to Cobras, in a very short period of time they lost five or six pilots, which was more than their combat losses for the same period!

Yes, it could be. The Cobra was unusual. The main defeciency of this plane was that it stalled easily and its curse was to spin. If it enterd one it could be unable to recover. I knew a lot of pilots who died this way (4th ZAB lost no less than 22 pilots killed after transfer to the P-39. I. Zhidov)
But my attitude toward this was rather reckless, and when I began to fly the Cobra, I started to gain altitude without permission and execute spins. It was quite easy for me, and I recovered without any problems. So I told my Squadron Commander that I was not afraid of the spins.
All pilots were assembled on the airfield, and I was ordered to start spinning above the airfield. I gained about five thousand meters above ground, and as usual entered the spin. I started recovering, but to my surprise it did not even start to respond. I must have made about fifteen revolutions, and whatever I did it did not recover. By this time I was in the area of the village Khvanchkara there is a wine named after this village. There is a deep valley, and this valley saved me it gave me a bit of extra space, as I recovered well below airfield level. I must have had a rather frightened appearance. And I decided that under no condition would I do anything like this again!

11 ZAP:
Kondratyev, Levashov, Vorobec
2-nd row: -, -, Sobolev, Zabelin, Sulemenko, -, Tarasenko, Zinovyev, Pekalov

Could you compare the Cobra with the Yak or LaGG?

There is no sense in comparing the Cobra with the LaGG, because it was vastly superior. There is no sense to compare the Yak-3 with the Cobra for the same reason. But all other Yaks were worse than the Cobra. First of all it had a better view, radio equipment, and speed. It had armored rear glass that provided good view to the rear, while our planes metal head rests did not allow our pilots to look behind them.

The Cobras that you ferried had what kind of weapon arrangement? Did they have wing machine guns?

First of all, 37mm cannon. Two 12,7mm machine guns in the nose. And I dont remember exactly, one or two heavy machine guns in the wingsone in each wing, if I remember correctly.

Was there a difference between the Kittyhawk and Tomahawk?

They had little difference, and at first we did not even understand which one had arrived. There was no special course of training for them, and they even had a similar weapon arrangement. I know that Navy pilots liked this plane and were satisfied by its characteristics. It had greater fuel capacity than Cobras had, and it came equipped with a huge drop tank. Its engine worked very smoothly, and it had a greater life expectancy, like most other American engines.

Cobras had the same engines as Kittyhawks. But most pilots complained that if you flew like was prescribed by the book it would work for 500 hours, but if you flew like you have to in combat it would burn out in 100 hours.

Yes, thats right. On the Cobra the engine was behind the pilot, and a large drive shaft went throught the cockpit to the propeller right between the pilots legs. Sometimes, but not always, you felt a vibration. On Kittyhawks the engine worked so smoothly that you could fell asleep...

Were there cases when Cobra tails were broken in a high-G maneuver?

Yes, there were such cases. We complained to the United States and they soon sorted things out and strengthened the tails.

Here is a question. Did these airplanes have piss tubes?

On American planes there were, even on fighters. I even tested it.

Did you fly to the firing range in Cobras and Hawks?

Of course. In the 11th Regiment I flew a lot, and shot from the Cobra and other planes.
When you shoot the 37mm cannon, you can count every round fired. It was a very slow firing weapon. And it felt like the plane was stopping for a moment.

11 ZAP. Kondrat'ev, -, Sobolev, Zabelin

When you fired a wing-mounted machine gun, did it cause problems?

No, no problems. But you could see the tracers and it looked like a firework.

Did you experience any national problems in Georgia and Kirovabad?

Yes, we did. For example, a road from the airfield to Kirovabad went through a vineyard for four kilometers. During the day time it was quiet, but at night it became dangerous for us.
Once, when I fired at the shooting range with my TT, its firing pin broke. My pistol was exchanged for a Nagant revolver. I used to wrap it in a piece of cloth and carry it in my pocket. Once, I was returning at night from the airfield, and two Azeris jumped out of the grape vines in front of me, and started shouting at me something like Stop! I pulled out my Nagant and said:
Ill kill both of you right here!
Those cowardly jackals disappeared. When I got home and looked at my weapon, I found out that I had lost its firing pin. In other words, I was completely unarmed! From that moment on I became more careful.

And what about Georgia?

It also happened there. For example in Kutaisi. There were very few Georgians not only in aviation, but in the ground forces also. Later there were a lot of films about the brotherhood of nations: Soldiers father and others. Many men avoided induction in Georgia. There was a lot of draft dodging in the draft-age cohort there. We were young, and we used to go from time to time to the local dancing arena. Not too often, but we still sometimes did. There were a lot of young Georgians there. They attacked us when we were leaving the dances.
Once I was a participant in such an episode: dancing arena, noise, and shouting. I saw that our cadets were leaving, and behind them a crowd of Georgians at least three times as large made their way out. They were going to teach those Russians. Their only method of education was the knife and: Im gonna cut your throat! So I decided to go home as well. At first we were walking, then we started walking faster Eventually we were running, and Georgians chased us. Among our group was a cadet, Velichko, who managed to somehow arm himself with a flare pistol sidearms were not allowed to be issued to the cadets. He began to fire flares in front of our chasers. The suituation was getting rather grim, so I pulled out my pistol and started to fire above their heads. There was a croud of over 100 Georgians by now, but they became frightened and stopped. Not stopped, but followed us at a great distance, as we walked toward the bridge over the Rion River. The river wasnt too deep, but the bridge was quite high, and if they would have caught us there it was a long flight down. When I had almost stepped to the other side of the bridge, which was our territory, a Georgian appeared with a huge knife and tried to stab me. When I saw a knife pointed at me, I shot. The attacker fell to the ground and started begging me not to kill him, saying that he did not mean to stab me, that it was all the fault of another man, and that he would never do it again. Thus, with fire we crossed the bridge. It also shows the Georgian mentality they are eager to attack anybody who they think is weaker, but if there will be a response, they will always keep assaulting you by words, avoiding real fight as long as possible. Every single Georgian is a good man on his own, but as a crowd they are mad and uncontrollable.
Yes, there were cases like this. These events became known to Georgian authorities, but they listened only to their side and made complaints to our high command in Tbilisi.

During the GPW, attacking a Red Army officer meant court martial to the attacker and up to execution as the penalty. Did your attacker survive?

In any case, I shot above his head, so if he died, it must have been death from fear, not of wounds.

Were there any subsequent problems to you?

No. We just stopped going to the dances.

Back to the national question. What was the attitude toward Jews? There are different opinions about them.

There were almost no Jews in Georgia and in the Caucasus region. They were present in aviation, but not too much. I had a brief chance to see them in real life, but I think that all generalizations on nationality are incorrect. For example, when I served in Primorye, in the 821st Regiment, there was a pilot Dmitriy Blankman. He was short, but he always looked to be ready to fight. In those days there were a lot of Jews among doctors, and our dentist always claimed that Dmitriy Blankman was the best pilot of our regiment.
But Dmitriy was a poor pilot. He hardly could fly the Cobra and he did not master the MiG-15 at all. Later he was discharged from aviation, which caused grumbling among our garrison Jews that he was removed because he was of a certain nationality.
Another Jewish pilot I saw was the navigator of the 256th IAP, Major Kolmanson, Viktor Emmanuilovich. He fought in Korea, and fought well. I saw how he was killed. (Major Kolmanson Viktor Emmanuilovich was killed on 20.05.1952. Buried in Port Arthur (nowadays - Lyuishun), China. I. Seidov).
When we returned to our base with empty tanks and were coming in for landing, Sabres would come and attack us on final approach right above our airfield. They tried to shoot us both on landing and on takeoff. And more than once I had to make sharp turns right after take off at an altitude of 23 meters. Our flight control would call over the radio:
A pair of Sabres is diving on you!
And I had to turn as sharp as possible, almost catching the ground with a wing, so that the first burst would not hit me. Kolmanson came home with empty tanks from a fight, and was on final approach. He was leveling off and almost touched the runway. At this moment a pilot is completely defenseless. And suddenly, a long burst from six heavy machine guns from a Sabre at point blank range. His airplane caught fire, half rolled, and fell to the ground. Thats how this pilots fate ended

Lets return to the GPW.

I spent slightly over one year in the 11th ZAP. In July 1944 I was transferred from the 11th ZAP to the 26th.

What was the reason for your transfer?

I was included in a special group to execute an unusual mission. Up until 1944 the aviation plant had produced LaGGs, and later they started building the Yak-3. I flew the first Yak-3. This plane felt like a toy to me. It really was another airplane, different flying, different state of mind to the pilot, if you will.
Perhaps you know that the first one who began collecting money for new airplanes was Ferapont Golovatyy. The first plane built on the money collected by Golovatyy was presented to Yeremin. By the way, I met him in person, and he was my direct chief here, in Leningrad. When it became clear who was winning, Georgian authorities asked comrade Stalin: They wanted to build airplanes on the money raised from the Georgian people. Money was also collected from military units stationed in Georgia; we also gave money for this cause.

Kutaisi. 25 ZAP.
-, Vorobec, Zabelin, Tarasenko, Zinovyev, -, -.
2-nd raw: Pekalov, Kondratyev, Levashov, , Sulimenko.

How many gifted planes there were and what did they look like?

There were four gifted planes. Airplanes had graygray camouflage pattern, and from the nose to the tail there was an insignia in large red letters: For the Motherland! [Za rodinu], For Stalin! [Za Stalina], Forward to the West! [Vpered na zapad], and For Victory! [Za pobedu]

From all of Georgia four planes?

Yes. Georgia bought four Yak-3 planes from Tbilisi aviation plant. A letter appeared to send these planes to combat pilots, so that they would fly them in combat. I was included in this group of pilots, which was arranged in the 26th ZAP because I already had flying experience with the new plane. We pilots had no idea about what had been arranged. It turned into a huge show. The first planes built at Tbilisi were sent to us; we flew them, trained in group flying, and several times we had to fly show flights. Finally we said that we were ready, and a date was set for our departure. On the night before our departure, insignias appeared on our planes, and on the day of departure there was a huge celebration, where all the Georgian leadership was present.

Were these gifted planes in any way different than other Yak-3s?

No, there was no difference. We flew on these Yaks to Poland. The Yak-3 had low fuel capacity, less then other Yaks and LaGGs. Because of this we had to make eleven intermediate stops.
It took us several days to arrive at our destination point. We were led by two B-25 Mitchells, which also carried spares and our mechanics.
Our flight was tracked up until our landing in Poland. Quite often there were problems with fuel supply, and it was common that ferry crews had to wait for several days. But we had a green wave all our problems were solved by the call from Moscow. It surprised us from our first landing in Baku. We landed, and we were immedieatelly informed that there was no fuel for us. People who were flying with us called to Moscow, and fuel appeared in about ten minutes.

Did you fly on economic mode?

Yes, of course, but the route was calculated by the Mitchell navigators and they were responsible for our arrival.

What do you think about the radios on the Yak-3?

Well, it might be was worse than American radios, and there was more squelching, and effective range was lower, but it still was a leap forward from the old radios. Radio communications became more stable. But what was more important these were completely different planes. Yak-3s even then were called a weapon of victory.
We flew and flew. Everything seemed to be fine. When we came to Zhitomir, which at that time became a node for ferry flights, a tire had burst on my plane on taxiing. It was a major problem we were the first Yak-3s to arrive there and there were no spare parts on the airfield. Yak-3s had a smaller tire than on any other airplane.
We were fed, and then we started looking where we could stay for the night. The entire airfield town was in ruins. The only remaining brick building was occupied by a womens fighter regiment assigned to PVO. I didnt even know about such female regiments. It turned out that there was only one male the instructor, who was responsible for flight training. They were dressed in trousers, very clean. We found some hay in the ruins and slept there. We woke up in the morning and went to the canteen. Before we departed from Georgia we were dressed in all clean and new stuff, and now we were covered in hay.
The female pilots saw us and started laughing. But when we came to our planes, and they understood that we were also pilots, not technicians or mechanics, they started envying us their regiment was equipped with Yak-7s. Boris Fadeev was our flight commander, and he said:
Ill exchange one of our planes for your full squadron equipped with pilots.
While we were talking, our technicians disassembled a wheel from a LaGG and somehow managed to stick a camera into the Yaks tire.
Anyhow, we arrived at our destination point. We landed at the airfield that was built just in a few kilometers away from the front line, near Sandomir. The river wasnt crossed yet, but fighting had been going on for a rather long period of time. This airfield was occupied by the regiment where Boris Yeremin flew. It was an ordinary grass field, just 15 kilometers away from German lines. The Yak-3 had a short supply of fuel, so we had to fly from this airfield, but it had to be done in such way as not to give our position away.
Thats how we ended up in the 91st IAP as probationary pilots of a reserve aviation regiment. This was a common practice during the war. They sent instructor pilots to combat units for a period of two to three months. We arrived in August, and until December we kept asking the regiment commander to leave us in the IAP. We did not know about it, but there were long discussions between the regiment commander and higher levels of command. And once we were told:
You will stay with us!
Our spirits were raised we had run away to the front! There were cases when instructors ran away to the front.

Oleg Korytov, Konstantin Chirkin, Igor Zhidov 2007-2009

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